Tu-154

[Norbert]

it's completely clear that there are some people in the bezirksregierung that are very anti-nrn! This action is bull-shit! They just don't tolerate aircrafts in which companies can make real profit, and in that way they are trying to knock NRN down. Those foolish people!
Can anyone tell me which parties have a majority in the bz. regierung? I think that are the SPD and the Grunen, aren't they? Those f*cking left-wing anti-aircraft politicians!

Thank you for your clear and real statement! That's it!!! Our NRW-air traffic-politics are the worst over the world!

Change the majority in NRW!

Yours sincerely, Ludger

Sorry in deutsch: In der Bezirksregierung hat niemand eine Mehrheit, da sie NICHT gewählt wird. Die Bezirksregierung ist eine Verwaltung mit einem Hauptverwaltungsbeamten=Regierungspräsident (RP) als Chef.

Da wird niemand vom Volk gewählt.

Sicherlich bestimmt die die (gewählte) Landesregierung NRW den RP mit!

So schlecht ist aber die "NRW-air traffic-politics" auch wieder nicht. Immerhin haben wir sicherlich die größte Dichte an Verkehrsflughäfen in Deutschland. DUS CGN PAD FMO DTM MGL NRN

Im Gegensatz dazu wird von der Landesregierung in Brandenburg Neuhardenberg verhindert, obwohl Ryanair dort starten und landen will nur weil sie auf einen Flughafen Berlin-Brandenburg-International setzen, von dem niemand weiss, wann er Realität wird.

[Roel]

Thanks for you information!

[Roel]

Personally I think that EIN is a good alternative because the airport is not as big as DUS or CGN (and not so expensive as those two) and is better situated as MST.

That chance is very very small. EIN also has very strict rules about noise, similar to NRN

[robertv]

Sorry, in dutch, but since international policy, the same should apply to Germany:

http://www.maa.nl/nl/html/algemeen/comm ... 553F07GO0E

Vliegtuigen van de eerste categorie, zogenaamde Hoofdstuk 1-vliegtuigen, mogen in Nederland al sinds 1 januari 1990 niet meer landen. Vliegtuigen van de tweede categorie – Hoofdstuk 2-vliegtuigen – mogen dat niet meer sinds 1 april 2002. Alleen de Hoofdstuk 3-vliegtuigen zijn nog toegelaten. Die zijn het modernst en maken het minste geluid.

Hoofdstuk 1 vliegtuigen zijn de eerste types straalvliegtuigen, zoals de Caravelle en de eerste series van de DC8 en de Boeing 707.

Hoofdstuk 2 vliegtuigen zijn bijvoorbeeld:

BAC 1-11, Boeing 727, 737-100 en –200, 747-100, DC 9, Fokker 28, Ilyushin 76, Tupolev 134 en 154 en de latere series van DC8 en Boeing 707.

Hoofdstuk 3 vliegtuigen zijn bijvoorbeeld:

Airbus A300, 319 en 320, Bae-146

Boeing 737-300 en -400, 747-300 en -400, 757 en 767-777.

Fokker 70 en 100

DC8 voorzien van nieuwe, geluidsarme motoren, DC-10-30, MD-11 en MD 80.



De allernieuwste Hoofdstuk 3-vliegtuigen voldoen met een ruime marge aan de grenzen van Annex 16, zodat ze met recht geluidsarme vliegtuigen genoemd kunnen worden. Het zijn de Airbus A330 en 340, de Boeing 737-600, 737-700, 737-777, 737–800 en de Fokker 70 en 100.

In het luchtruim van de Europese Unie zijn sinds 1 april 2002 alleen nog Hoofdstuk 3-vliegtuigen toegelaten.

[Roel]

But with a hush-kit (down know exactly how to spell it) those chapter 2 planes are allowed. Tu154M is chapter 3, even as an hush-kitted B727, DC-8 or B707

[dD]

Hoofdstuk 2 vliegtuigen zijn bijvoorbeeld:

BAC 1-11, Boeing 727, 737-100 en –200, 747-100, DC 9, Fokker 28, Ilyushin 76, Tupolev 134 en 154 en de latere series van DC8 en Boeing 707

But BEXX uses a TU154M , the type with new "Awiadwigatel D-30KP/KU" engines, what is the main difference to the 154!
The older ones using "Kusnetzow NK-8-2/2U"
Zitat: "Ist eine Variante der Tu-154B mit neuen Triebwerken. Wurde zuerst als Tu-164 bezeichnet"

But with a hush-kit (down know exactly how to spell it) those chapter 2 planes are allowed. Tu154M is chapter 3, even as an hush-kitted B727, DC-8 or B707

So, is here anyone can look if TU154M is NOT allowed because the noise?
Other question, why it is allowed in DUS for example?

[AMS flyer]

Roel:

That chance is very very small. EIN also has very strict rules about noise, similar to NRN

That's correct Roel, but EIN is allowed to accept aircrafts up to code E! And the T154M is still a Chapter 3 aircraft and is therefore not different than other aircrafts.

[Roel]

Yep that's right. But the people at Eindhoven that have to accept the new charter or scheduled flights are not very keen on these airplanes.
The system at Eindhoven is as follows:
there is a maximum amount of noice that is allowed to be produced. If this maximum is reached, there are no flights allowed anymore.
For this reason Eindhoven Airport will not allow scheduled/charter flights with more noisy planes, like the tu154. They want very silence planes like the B737-800 or the A320's. Although the tup154 is allowed at Eindhoven, I don't think they will accept it for more than a few flights.

And, the maximum of the militaries at Eindhoven is cat E, I think. Officially, aircrafts larger than B747SP are not allowed at the civil part of the airport. But that's not important for this discussion

[zunsel]

So, is here anyone can look if TU154M is NOT allowed because the noise?
Other question, why it is allowed in DUS for example?

It is not allowed cause of it is a CAT D plane. NRN has, at this moment, only a permission for planes up to CAT C. But this has nothing to do with noise, this has to do with several other things like, e.g. max. takeoff weight.

[bravosierra]

It is not allowed cause of it is a CAT D plane. NRN has, at this moment, only a permission for planes up to CAT C. But this has nothing to do with noise, this has to do with several other things like, e.g. max. takeoff weight.

Hello!

That is not really correct.
The aircraft category is based on the approach speed.

• (1) Category A: Speed less than 91 knots.
• (2) Category B: Speed 91 knots or more but less than 121 knots.
• (3) Category C: Speed 121 knots or more but less than 141 knots.
• (4) Category D: Speed 141 knots or more but less than 166 knots.
• (5) Category E: Speed 166 knots or more.

greetings,
Benjamin

[Airbus A320]

Hallo,

gestern startete Bexx-Air mit der TU 154 ihre Burgas Flüge ab Zweibrücken (ZQW). Die ersten beiden Flüge gehen via Lüttich nach Burgas, ab dem 29.Juli dann Zweibrücken -Burgas. Für den ersten Flug gab es 72 Zusteiger in ZQW und 45 Aussteiger. Eine hohe Buchungszahl zeichnet sich ab, ab dem 20. September wird seitens der Bexx-Air schon mit 2 Flügen pro Woche geplant, Abflug jewals Montags und Freitags, was sich für einen Wochenendausflug anbietet.

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:D
MfG
Airbus A 320

[bexx]

TU has noise certificate 3, like all others.

By the way: We just have contracted our first own 2 planes (but not in range of NRN).

CU later this year again...

[Kleve88]

@Bexx

LZ-HBA und LZ-HBB? Das sind BAe146 und fliegen für Hemus Air, haben aber beide noch Platz im Flugplan.